♪ ♪ mark: hello america, i am markly levin, this is "life, liberty and levin" this is a different program, focused like a laser on breaking news. i want to use this program to give additional voice to individuals i think that are intelligence, fairly young and can have and will have an

influence on the future of the country. i think it's my job as i get older po make sure we have people coming up behind us to have an opportunity to be heard, two with us tonight, have. but not necessarily in form like this. dave ruben of the ruben report, he wrote the great book, don't burn this book. charlie kirk. he wrote a great book. i want to talk to them. i hope they will influence additional young people, i think this is the way we try to address the culture in as many platforms as we can, dave ruben how are you. >> mark, i am glad to be with you. you know if you would have told me a few years ago, i would be on mark levine show, saying he is the guy that blazed a trail for liberal like me, i don't know what i would have made of,

that but here we are, normally i live in l.a., i am down on vacation in florida. only guy who i would put a jacket on for you. >> thank you. dave ruben, you were not always a libertarian/conservative. you were a progressive for much of your young career. tell us what happened, why you decided wait, maybe these guys on other side make more sense. you moved over to what i call, classical liberalism or liberty agenda. >> i do still consider myself a classal liberal, and don't burn my book is my way of laying it out in a modern sense that makes a moderate conservative or libertarian. but, i was a bernie supporting

lefty, you could find videos of me 5 or 6 years ago supporting bernie, there were several reasons, i talk about if you grow up in an american public education system, and getting american culture, the american things that fall within the window of what is acceptable in america. everyone is a default lefty, you have to come to conservatism and libertarian, and idea of individual rights and freedom and liberty, everything that you have been writing and talking about for years. if you just grow up, you are a lefty, it like, democrats are nice, republicans are mean. liberals care about poor people. and conservatives care about money. democrats are for peace. republicans for war. now they are all silly factory setting ideas, that once you dig deeper you fine are not true, i had a series of evens 5 years that causes my wake up.

i would say, i have no problem being called a conservative at-this-point to be clear. what is so beautiful about the conservative movement right now is it is a wide tent. what happening on left, you are either woke or out, if you don't select 10 thing that woke people want and do it the second they want you to, you are out, that does that creates opportunity for people on the right to say, hey, we have traditional conservative religious republicans say, and more libertarian minded people, and hard-core maga people. we have more you know either neocons or generic republicans, that's a wide swath accident i i find when you go to like you mentioned charlie kirk, i talk about things that i know average conservative may not agree with. they say, hey, we're happy you

are here, let's discuss it. usually with a smile, we'll get you eventually. but they are down to have a debate, where really is no debate on the other side. mark: let me ask you about. the other side. even when you were quote on quote with the other side. tote tal -- tote tal aryan, my way, antifree speech, antichoice in all things but abortion. and antiso much it is important. in a free society. was it that way 5 or 10 years ago? >> no, it was not. and i think you know that and i think even most of your audience is conservative and libertarian, they know too. the aclu that was a liberal free speech organization, they fought so that neo-nazis could march in

illinois. famous case in 1971. it was a place where i think that the most highest percentage of holocaust survivors lived in u.s., and the aclu defended their right to do it it was offensive but it was liberals defending right of free speech even when is hard to do. something happened. what happened to the jfk liberal. think about that ask not what your country can do for you, but what you can do for your country. really what happened. that is 180 degrees opposite of what bernie and all of democrats

including joe biden say now, we can give you this, we can give you this for free, and artificially raise that wage, and give free education and healthcare. that is reverse of true liberalimplement it is a debateo i want to save the word liberal. liberalism, liberals were not always like this. the woke totalitarian progressive ideology now destroyed almost all of our cultural institutions and educational institutions and certainly our political institutions that is a relatively new phenomenon that was brewing at the academic level and just burst forth, i was warning about it for a couple years, people saying, no, no, when the kids get out of college, the real world will set

them state, that is not how it is working out. mark: leftism with public education system and teachers january that is quite radical. and much of the prop -- propaganda in the classrooms but we now have majority of media outlets trying to crush a minority of media outlets with different opinions, we have big tech now we hoped would be the competitive part against big media, they are now thrown in with big media and one party, what do you think happened. >> we have an extraordinary fight right now, founders could have never imagined a steur structurethat existed above the government.

they control our public square that now exists on-line, they could have the have envisioned something so powerful, they put all systems in place, beautiful systems of u.s. of checks and plans and branches -- checks and balances and branches of government, they could not have imagined this, but it is in a perilous place now, it does not matter what you think of donald trump or january 6, one given day, a bunch of tech oligarchs decided to eliminate digital life of donald trump, they booted him from youtube, facebook, twitter and spotify so we conditions -- conditions cano music. and you say, okay, what is woke

is acceptable. but if say there are two genders that is not acceptable. or for low taxes that is is not acceptable because they will tell you you are racist, somehow that means you don't want to help black people, they set a very narrow set of things that is okay. do you now' government too come in break up the companies? joe biden and democrats are in charge of the government, do up the government to fix, fix, i use quotes, big government to fix a big tech problem? you would have a bigger problem. i love in human competition, and i started a tech company called locals.com, just one part of solution, and there is no perfect solution. we saw what amazon did to parler servers. and there is big problems. but, you know david beat --

goliath, anything is possible. mark: here is the thing. is it free market when the millionaires suck in people for 20 years, use their data to become powerful and rich, and the protection in congress, then a small entrepreneur like parler trying on compete, they say for a variety of pretext we'll crush you and together. we'll make sure you have no way out. i don't think that is adam smith capitalism, i think that is putin capitalism, and on top of that, they have politicized themselves, it not just they are in the capitalist market, now they are using their must, they got in part thanks to government. to put not just their finger on scale of politics but their inter weight on the scale of

politics to influence outcome election, they don't make any bones about it it is pretty obvious to all. i agree with your point that is perplexing. what to we do with one party in control of bureaucracy, are they capable of controlling an entity like this or further empower it. let me ask you, are the republicans really up to fighting this, i watch them, i want to ask you this. i watch them, sometimes i think to myself, other than a handful, most have no idea what is swelling around, they have no idea of ideology they face, how that is devoured so much of the

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mark: welcome back america, i am with david ruben of the ruben report. locals.com. and i mentioned that because. what dave is demonstrating, we have a lot of young people demonstrating this. you are developing, your own independent platform. actually many independent platforms. you are not relying on one or three big entities, money one my not any. as attack on parler has demonstrated. my concern, i'll be blunt about me, the left is diabolical in many respects, they don't want to play with the constitution in many respects, and democrats and house in senate alike roman

senate, they talk about the constitution but they don't want to work went the limits of the constitution, and they focus on the courts, they chasing donald trump still. the republican seem to be reacting if any, they seem to be on their own glide path, i don't know where it going. >> i think it is a great point. we could sit here for 10 hours and talk about all things that are wrong with the left, and ridiculous big government programs and little actual political fill on the fee -- philosophy sits behind what they are doing. a new guide, there are very few conservatives i find inspiration from. i give you two, that is ted cruz and rand paul, they're out there. they have been talking about big tech, they are always warning

about surveillance and ever expanding state. they did a nice job with the hearing about big tech, that said, they are good men working hard for american people, nothing happened. after those big tech hearings, like a bunch of theater before the election, everyone was warning about section 230. and then no one does anything. for me, as someone new to this side, i want to see more people that know how to fight. and i think that really was why so many people hated trump to level they did, it was not about his policies, which were sort of all over the place, in terms of a lest conservative stuff, there was also big government and spending, but reason they hated trump, not because of policies, it of because he showed people how to fight. and there is nothing that the media and big tech companies, hate more.

and democracies hate more than someone who will fight, i hope that the idea of trump in a way lasts far longer than trump the man, any good idea has to live beyond one man, but i hope the idea of hey, fight, we are returning thin, the american experiment. must be coming to an end. the worst ideas are here. and they are eliminating all things that we have done so well for 250 years. i want more conservative fight. mark: you raise an important point. donald trump who tried to get the national defense authorization act amended to address that section 230. he said, look, everyone will vote to fund the defense department. republicans will vote to fund the defense department, now you need a rider.

who votes against him? all democrats and most of the republicans they override his veto, your point is well taken. he showed them how to to it, they rejected it, many same republicans are complaining about attack on free speech, and big tech companies interfering, they have themselves to flame in part because they had an opportunity to to something about it they refused. >> donald trump, forth now is really to destroy the man and destroy the people who support him in my view, there is no need for impeaching, and then trying donald trump as a private citizen, i have listened all week,in any court, 99% of what y are presenting would be inadd

mis-- inadmissible. he was one according to his chief of staff who offered 5,000 national guardsman in early july in washington d.c., they did not take him up on, and so many other steps taken. that raise questions to me, you have preparedness and advance by thugs, militant groups, fbi was aware, to the terrorism task force, nobody knows what happened. the sergeant of arms in both houses of congress informed they need to bring in national guard. what did i do do with that information? ing in. did they tell their bosses? nancy pelosi and mitch mcconnell? we have no idea, all questioning ends. because the mayorive in is baked -- narrative is baked in, to geo answers, some of us want to know what took place, who was involved and how we deal with

this, but that not what is happening here, do you think that left and media and democrat party will be successful in their effort to extinguish the trump movement and trump ideas and donald trump himself. >> look, i think your assessment is correct, that is when this is about, that i want to destroy him further, not enough he is not president, that he is not on a big platform. not enough he can't get his voice out. now can we actually destroy the person, can we make sure he never heard from again. i said, when they go for trump, they are coming for you, i mean you, for everyone that is watching show, oh, do you have any counter opinion we will come for you, because look at what we can do to the man who was most powerful person in the world. just a few weeks ago, look how we can get rid of him. you know, sad part is, there are

several but primary sad part is that average person in america wants nothing to to with this. i don't think that a lot of the democrats really want to do this impeachment, this postimpeachment sham, you are right. trial has nothing to do with his words, i think most people are thinking we have way bigger problem, we have economic problems and lockdown, and covid, and so many more important things, and it will be voted in essence on party lines with a couple sort of you know half republicans, whatever you want to call like mitt romney who jumped ship so -- meadial ba willing nice to him, you get with republicans you got the people who fight for no conservative, or right lining principle but they get on cable news shows and get a pat on the

head like a dog, then handed a snack. so, i think that idea of fight must continue, whether they get trump on this or not, i think not for that. -- i am not for, that the idea of fight must continue. mark: i think you cond a phrase that i love, a of half republican, a good phrase,a david rubin, keep up the good work, we enjoy your writing, and power -- your broadcasts, god bless you. >> mark, thank you so much. mark: we'll be right back. when you drive this smooth, you save with allstate

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levin." ♪ ♪ mark: welcome back our next guest charlie kirk, you can seen charlie on fox and other places, he has become quite prominent because of his intelligence and his incite as a young young age. high founded turning point usa, wrote outstanding book. the maga doctrine, charlie kirk, turning point usa. why did you found it? what does it do? are we at a turning point. >> thank you, mark. i started turning point usa about 9 years ago. for purpose to educate young people students in the values of constitution. what makes this country so

different. is from such a thing as american excepttionallism and or encourage our students to go along withal of those very dangerous socialist narrative that is happening on university campuses. we have over 1,000 high school and college chapters in country, hundreds of thousands of students, involved, doing grassroot work on university campus to talk about free market, liberty and values to make america the greatest country to exist. and been amazing to see from events that we've hosted in last couple years, and millions we reach on digital social media, young people are not necessarily -- opposed to conservative ideas, but they have not been exposed to them properly in the first place.

that is what we do. we are doing every day is pushing the american agenda forward. on college campuses. mark: which is very admirable. because you are up against heavily financed, text pair -- taxpayer financed teachers union. and spread of neomarxist critical race theory in the universities and colleges, shutting down of academic freedom, shutting down the free speech started on colleges and bled to overall society, we're at a grave turning point in this country today. >> we are, we're at a generational turning point, this will be a moment in time historians look back on, say that is a moment where america decided to recommit to founding ideas liberty in god we trust or

go a different direct, we'll become a nation that does not honor liberty, does not believe the constitution was the greatest political document ever written, that cares more about our characteristics than actually decisions people make. that is an idea of critical race theory that is taught in elementary, high schools and colleges. this is our turning point as a country, it is less of a political turning point than, around a foundational fill softal turning point. >> philosophical turning point, i learned last couple years that every major institution that we complain about from big tech to the civil service to bureaucracy to political class, all of them got their start at a university campus. what happens on college campus does not stay on college campuses to guess to corporate boardrooms, halls of congress, i

wish there were more schools like hills dale college that taught students to pursue truth and read the classics 99% of campuses are about training activists, not telling students there is -- beauty and truth but telling them there no beauty and strug, just a tower struggle, you should be angry, let's do something about it, this is a turning point. i and we at turning point usures committed. mark: we ice phase, critical race theory. a lot may not know what we're talking about, they work for a living, they love their country. this is a marxist racist, ideology born in 1970s at harvard and stanford law school by a few knuckle heads and

spread like poison in our society, you watch cnn and msnbc,you can watch. the phrase white supremacy, the phrase used to apply with anyone with whom left disagrees, white privilege, this comes out of the move. , it has been aggressively promoted. and it is promoted by "new york times" with 1619 project, to attack the 1776 reality. but joe biden the other day, among these multiple executive orders, as i say a dim witted caesar puts them out, one was. to eliminate 1776 commission, that was sit up to promote the founding of the nation to trash the report they came out with. which was intended to underscore principles on which we were

founded. and then he replaced it with what he called racial equity, not equality, people need continued to, under a critical race theory there is no such thing as equality, they believe white dominated society is defining qualequalty and they life civil right movement was meant to help white people, and they trash down versus the board of education, now to oval office, it is inshrined in an executive order by joe biden, when we come back, i want your reaction to, that we'll be right back. we made usaa insurance for members like kate. a former army medic, made of the flexibility to handle whatever monday has in store and tackle four things at once. so when her car got hit, she didn't worry. she simply filed a claim on her usaa app and said...

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mark: welcome back, charlie kirk, turning point usa. i ended last segment talking about critical race theory, now

joe biden and the democrats and administration are promoting it. is that not a dangerous ideology. >> unbelieve abily dangerous, mark. from the frank school who came to america, not necessarily an economic complaint in nature. if you read all about -- a power struggle of economics. critical race theory is a power struggle in their own estimation between races, that everything is actually racist, that entire american system is a byproduct of a white supremacist experiment. even more specifically, a white male is up -- supremacist.

they do not believe in free speech dialogue or discussion or in the individual, i mean the proponents of critical race theory. a class rally liberal, james lindsey, wrote, he wrote a book, i encourage person this is beyond politics. this death of traditional american values, we respect and appreciate freedom of speech, dialogue, and one of most important american values, that we embodied post civil right era, your skin color means nothing. let me be clear for all parenting watching, if your child is learning critical race theory, if they for a public school they are, they are taught your skin color means something, what made america so exception the most 1980s, we did our best

to embody the values of the civil right era, we said your skin color is irrelevant. show me your actions and values. critical race theory, under auspices of progressive, does the opposite, no, it says your skin color matters and how you look means something that is highly racist, and devisive and against everything that we stand for as americans. everyone needs to understand this is widespread, in the military in civil service, in the universities in the every school system in the country. we need to get educated about it and make sure that critical race theory does not continue its spread. >> it gave birth to black lives matter, a product of critical race theory and marxism, the founders say they are marxist.

and so we see as you point out corporate boards in america, embracing it, we see athletes professional sports leagues embracing it we see real media embracing it and anyone that objected to is calls white privileges, they preach do that the accept and tolerate a challenge to the ideology. and anyone who challenges it to be smeared. it has taken hole is taking hold. when we come back, i want to ask you this, is it part of reason that democrats are now focused on trying to character assassinates donald trump and people who support him, and joe biden is sitting there signing away the country. while his bureaucracy has reverted to form. we're focused on shiny object of

democrats and left in media doing what i they have done, destroy an innocent man. that is the basis of my question to you when we return. we'll be right back.

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mark: charlie kirk, while the democrats, left, media, are further trying to destroy donald trump and his supporters in this rogue, phony impeachment trial. a lot is happening in the country. that people are not focused on, because the media, are not focused -- impeachment is a tactic used by left for a couple reasons, a smoke screen for their threat of, there is not widespread in depth coverage of anything coming out of white house, they distracted the -- white house media. you remember how they treated parent company first 100 days -- how they treated president trump first 100 days in the west wing.

beginning process of criminalizing trump administration on baseless claims, impeachment is used for. they want to suppress all discussion and conversation around voter integrity, they want to normalize mail in voting, say if you dare question the signature threshold, they are thoughtful and questions and points and problems poised by jimmy carter in the past said mail in votes is most open to potential interference and fraud, they say that leads to violence, and impeachment trying to lay ground work for next pay paythe -- patriots act. looking back you were fiso at fizz - a

lot of these were then probably abused by intelligence agencies against people that did not do anything wrong, democrats are pushing another patriot act, creating a narrative, they are an exo-- threat to the nation, they will allow domestic agencies ability with increase surveillance against -- libertarians. they might need to be monitored or stopped, that is a tactic they want to use to stop the the

next tea party to be formed. they challenged obama administration for over overreaches. the tea party movement was a thorn in the side of the obama agenda, i believe democrats are trying to preempt the next grassroots movement by trying to create a narrative that is not true, this impeachment, they know it is all facts around it, it is a show trial. but deeper, they trying to stop a conversation around election integrity. >> we'll be right back. my winds. the experts at safelite autoglass came right to me... with service i could trust. right, girl? >> singers: ♪ safelite repair, safelite replace. ♪

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mark: welcome back, charlie kirk, are congressional republicans able to address and

confront what is around them. >> i pray, but full of doubts, looks like congressional republicans they forget who they represent, they are under the wrong opinion that they actually represent "the kingdom" of washington d.c., not states that sent them, not the constituents that elected them. they are around other senators and other congressmen and lobbyists and staffers, they forget, they do not represent washington d.c., they represent the states, i believe if we forget founding fathers in the constitution designed legislature to be an extension of states not the other way around, state created federal government. need representatives forget that, they need something more. they need courage. they need courage to stand up, with what democrat will try to do right now, and people are with them. what happened on january 6 was a tragedy. no doubt. but we cannot allow our level

liberty and county to disappear. disappear. mark: i agree. there are diabolical things going on, when republicans turn on their own constituents, reject their own principles, they are flattered by the same media that seeks to destroy the party and them. we don't have republicans leak -- like we did, republicans of old, lincoln era that took on slavery and breakaway confederacy or even reagan era, took on soviet union and bureaucracy. we had a president in donald trump that took on both, goldwater period of conservatism, and reagan period. we had tea party movement. that rose up, the conservative

base, trying to assert itself. we had same thing with donald trump. the republican party rejects its own base. the democrat party feeds its base, redistributes wealth and creates laws and promote and protect it's base, democrat party is about one them, in my view, democrat party, power, that is why that i want to change our election laws and cell -- free speech, and joe biden signing executive orders as fast as we it, that is why they stand with teachers union against the children, against hard working union members, but with illegal aliens, they will do whatever they have do for power. and republicans are suing for peace. and compromise. and they turn on the individuals who have the guts to speak out. and try to confront this. you are 81 -- you are one of

those individuals, thank you very much charlie, we look forward to watching you man years god bless you. >> god bless you thank you. mark: see you next time on "life, liberty and levin." ♪ ♪ ♪ steve: happy valentine's day. welcome to next revolution, i am steve hilltop, home of popular poll limp. pro america, with every week that goes by, behave two most powerful governments of world, chinese regime and our government, feeds or suspicion they are responsible. unintion alley for the biggest global pandemic catastrophe. we owe it to the billions hurt by the pandemic to make sure we have a full